Go! And guess which one is the criminal

Posted on April 19th, 2009 by Lib


It should be pretty easy shouldn’t it?

If you had to put your life on it, you would probably pick the rather menacing character dressed as V.

But here in the UK , as I’m sure you are aware, London  recently played host to the G20 summit and as sure as David Hasselhoff likes a drink, there were some protests.

Not unusual you might say, and you would be right but the aftermath of these particular protests will be felt for a very very long time.

In short, one person died (footage can be seen here) and there is a dossier with the Independant Police Complaints commission containing footage of two further incidents and 400 testimonies from demonstrators who claim to have been assaulted by police or have witnessed aggressive behaviour by them.

Its clear from the videos that some riot police have broken police rules by failing to display their identifying numbers on their uniforms and the legalities of the Met’s riot tactics  are being questioned which involved ‘kettling’ thousands of demonstrators into confined spaces.

I mean we’re no strangers to police brutality, anyone remember Rodney King? but how and when is this going to end?

Is it getting worse or has it always been there but now we have the additional media tool of a mobile phone with video camera?

The G20 protests suggest, yet again, that those we entrust to enforce the law still think that they are above it. And that is not something we as a society should tolerate.

Lets be havin your comments (sorry).

23 Responses to “Go! And guess which one is the criminal”

  1. Jim says:

    Media for the people is what technology is doing, as per Orwells theory way back.

    Big Bruvver.

    To the diary room.

    I’d wouldn’t say it was getting any worse, just more instant – riots, raping, pillaging isn’t a new thing – nor is an isolated piece of a policeman over reacting.

    Or maybe a Batman punchup is the answer as our heros come to the rescue?



  2. Purple13 says:

    OK – I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that, whilst it is terribly tragic that someone died, we (the law abiding ‘i want my property protecting’ population) are asking an incredible amount of our police forces when they have to go out and police these events.

    Events that they know will probably get very ugly indeed.

    I wouldn’t want to do it – would you?

    Stand there whilst every obscenity is shouted at you with all the hate that can be mustered, have stuff thrown at you, live with the possibility that you may well be hit / kicked / spat at / sat fire too?

    No i wouldn’t do it for a million quid and if you’re honest, neither would you.

    It’s easy to say ‘well they get paid for it’ or ‘well they’re supposed to be professional’ etc etc but in the heat of a moment, are they in any more control than we are? Most were probably Specials – the p/t volunteer police force.

    The bottom line is either we allow these events to go un-policed (imagine the outcry then!) or we accept that there is always going to be occasion when a member of the public gets hurt.

    We all knew it was taking place (the protest) so why go? My advice is if you know it’s happening – stay out of the way – right out of the way.

    On the subject of the poor person who lost his life (and my deepest condolences to his family – I mean that most sincerely), i did hear one report on Radio 4 that the speaker suggested that he’d obviously been asked to mind out of the way but his body language and movement suggested he didn’t move very quickly, dawdling was the word used.

    In a normal day, it would have been ignored but in the highly charged state that existed that day, it’s a whole different story.

    Take my advice – stay away. The police won’t always have time to make an on the spot decision of who is an innocent bystander and who is throwing the stones and we shouldn’t have to ask them to. There job is hard enough as it is.

    • Lib says:

      I am liking this side to you Purple!

      • Purple13 says:

        thank you LIb.

        we gave up the ‘right’ to protest the minute we allowed violence to be an acceptable part of protesting.

        there are other ways of voicing your protest – no more so than now with all the social media around us.

        didn’t someone once say the pen is mightier than the sword?

        sorry – i value my life over my liberty – liberty may be fine but it won’t bring you back from the dead.

        • Gareth in Thailand says:

          Didn’t the guy live nearby and was simply on his way home. Pretty tough to stay away when you live there.
          Ever been to a football match where you are automatically treated as an offender and treated worse than cattle?
          Simply staying away does not solve the root cause that is the attitude of pretty much prevalent in all the police I have ever come in contact with.
          This can only be fixed when proper accountability is put in place. Why have so many incidents not resulted in full inquiries and full disclosure?
          Even now 20 years after Hillsborough the police and authorities keep the documents locked away – when you can get away with murder why would you expect any change in behaviour.

          • Lib says:

            The home secretary has requested the Hillsborough docs to be released early apparently.

            And yes the guy was just on his way home. He wasn’t a protestor.

  3. A/C says:

    There comes a point in every society when the people have to say enough is enough.
    The Met is not the only police force which leaves alot to be desired in their behaviour. We have had issues here in Oz with excessive force leading to deaths.

    If you take Purples advice and stay away from protests, then you will also condon the giving up of your voice.
    The right to protest, the right to say no we do not agree etc and this is not the way.

    The police were wrong, the officers involved in all these incidents were wrong and their actions are shameful, it is no surprise some people and not all of them criminals feel a overwhelming distrust to those in uniform.

    In the polices defemce it was an embarassing way for a protest to be held, the damage caused by a few, undermined the overall message. Violence is no way to get yourself heard no matter what the reason. All it does is get the general public off side and almost gives the police an excuse.
    If these protest had taken place as a sit in a silent protest then the public sympathy would have been far greater.

    That being said we the public regardless of country have the right to expect our law enforcement to behave in a manner befitting their position. This why they have screening, training etc, if we can not trust those who are reasponsible for our safety then who can we trust.
    I have seen the footage of the incident over and over and although you can not hear what was being said, the police acted in a manner which was more likened to the thuggery of those behind him than that of those in uniform.
    You can use every excuse possible to try and justify the police officers behaviour but when it is all boiled down to it, they signed up for it, it IS their job, they are trained to handle these situations.
    The behaviour of those around the officers does not in anyway give the police the right to be judge and jury it is not up to them to decide guilt or innocence and it is certainly not their job to behave in the same manner as those they are are arresting or monitoring.
    They are their to do their job and we have the right to expect them to do it an a way that does not make normal every day people to question their motives.

    When the police start shooting, assaulting, using violence in all its forms then you have nothing more than a police state. IT all begins with one or two incidents which are excused as a sad incident, then they begin to feel they can get away with anything.
    They should be treated as anyone else would be who is not uniform, and then it should be doubled.

  4. Purple13 says:

    I was trying to make the point that if you don’t want to get bashed on the head by a policeman, then stay away.

    something as high profile as the g20 was always going to attract trouble – any sensible person would ‘know that’.

    So why go? Unless you want to be part of the fight?

    • uncle cyril says:

      erm to protest as is the right in a free country

      a question

      should the pro -hunt lot be smacked up by the police? how about the people against the war?

      the police love these events as they are given carte blanche to assault people.

      the guy who died a quick question.

      if the boot was on the other foot and he’s hit a copper with a stick and pushed him over and said copper died do you think the police would have asked for a n enquiry….. or just nicked him and given him a pasting?

      they are with few execptions a group of cowardly bullies – from jean charles de menezes, blair peach, etc etc etc- scumbags.

      intested as to why the police felt the need to take off their id shoulder numbers so as to avoid being id’d?

    • Lib says:

      I do understand where you are coming from Purple but the bottom line is, if you want to show that you are protesting about something, it doesn’t automatically give the police, or anyone, the right to be violent.

  5. O'DB says:

    O’DB (putting own in till I get round to sorting out profile questions):

    One of the best images to come out of the G20 protests was this …


    Featured on Charlie Brooker’s Newswipe (brilliantly scabrous TV on BBC). As comments below image suggest tough times so maybe police medic is drumming up business? Or applying anaesthetic?

    • Jim says:

      Dammit, flicker is banned here in Dubai :-(

      • Lib says:

        Shame, its quite funny.

        When’s that on then O’DB?

        • O'DB says:


          Lib, Newswipe is brilliant. It’s on Weds at 10.30pm. The episode about protests is still available on BBC iPlayer. Episode 3 about news anchors was even better: Charlie Brooker just lets the mentalists on Fox News create their own comedy – worth getting via something like BitTorrent since it’s no longer on iPlayer (only up for 7 days between episodes)

  6. Fed up as you can’t see Canadian Television online although travelling? Well this video shows you how to easily bypass those ignorant state blocks.

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