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GO! Smell my alternative recovery to surgery part 2!

Hi from Dubai flower folk, Jim and his healing mole wounds here!

Congratulations to health blogger Borzack for guessing my alternative method of helping my wounds heal after the recent removal of a couple of moles on my back & face. Other regulars here homed in on the fact it was honey and guesses from olive oil, a poultice and flower bach remedies came in in part 1 of the post.

Rather than follow the Docs advice to use Fucidin antibiotic cream I opted for Manuka honey by Comvita. After attending a talk by word class specialist Dr. Ehab Hammouda at the 2nd Dubai burns week data was presented showing the miraculous way that Manuka honey can aid healing process and reduce scarring after surgery. How this works I’m not entirely clear but hopefully comments in this post will help educate me!

Some of the ‘before’ pictures shown in his compelling presentation were not for the feint hearted and certainly not recommended viewing after a big meal this stuff really did seem to play a part in wound care management. Inspired by the presentation I went against my skin Docs advice and opted for an alternative that he dismissed and urged me to ignore after surgery. Any ideas why?

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Back in 2004 the BBC news featured Manuka as an alternative measure for wound & cancer care……….

Honey has been known for its healing properties for thousands of years – the Ancient Greeks used it, and so have many other peoples through the ages.

Even up to the second world war, honey was being used for its antibacterial properties in treating wounds.

But with the advent of penicillin and other antibiotic drugs in the twentieth century, honey’s medicinal qualities have taken a back seat.

But that might be about to change – thanks to one New Zealand based researcher.

Working in his Honey Research Unit at the University of Waikato, in the central North Island, biochemist Professor Peter Molan has identified one particular type of honey with extraordinary healing qualities.

Professor Molan has shown that honey made from the flowers of the manuka bush, a native of New Zealand, has antibacterial properties over and above those of other honeys.

And on it GO’S:

Cancer treatment

Cancer specialist Dr Glenys Round has also found honey to be an effective treatment.

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“We’ve been using honey to treat fungating wounds, where the cancer has broken through the skin,” she said.

“The results in that situation have been excellent.”

Most recently, she has had success in using honey dressings on patients with wounds or ulcers resulting from radiation therapy.

“Most of these patients in the past had tried various other conventional treatments without good success, and that is the reason why at least initially honey was tried.”

Most patients seem happy to try the honey treatment.

Six days after surgery my 7 stitch scar on my back has yet to itch or bleed thanks to my Manuka sockedĀ  dressing (changed twice a day to keep the bees away) and the scar on my face is kept from forming as the moist healing environment gives the change for the skin to repair and rebuilding without having a scab to contend with.

So, Why don’t more Docs recommend this treatment? Would you use it instead of antibiotic creams AND do you think antibiotics could become a thing of the past?

Do tell, let’s get this honey post buzzing, flowers!

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  1. Jon Different
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Interesting post Jim, glad to learn your mole removal recovery is well underway.

    However, I challenge your position that Manuka Honey is ‘alternative’.

    This is subjective of course, but I would categorise alternative medicine as something unproven. Manuka Honey (with its UMF ratings to advise of its medicinal strength) has had hundreds of clinical trials which have proven in scientifically controlled testing environments which prove that this treatment works.

    I do not know of any ‘alternative medicines’ which anything more than hippy / witch doctor poultices. To me, alternative means unproven.

    Manuka Honey IS proven in more independant clinical tests than most mainstream medicines undergo, therefore it is not alternative as it is already accepted by the authorities who approve mainstream medicines.

    But not only does it work, but it is also proven to succeed where mainstream anti-biotics have failed.

    I myself have used Manuka Honey on a wound that (according to medical doctor friend of mine) should have required a skin graft. I used Manuka Honey UMF 15 and nothing else.

    The natural analgesic in this product immediately removed the pain and the wound healed very quickly over a two week period.

    Fantastic stuff.

    Why did your doc recommend Fucidin and dismiss Comvita products? Because:

    (1) Fucidin is widely acceted by the medical profession – despite is low efficacy

    (2) Comvita, although a pioneer in Manuka Medicines, is a very small company when compared to the pharma giants and therefore their message is not communicated as loudly as, say Glaxo SmithKline’s, or Smith and Nephew’s, or Abbott Labs’, or Bristol Myers Squib’s etc etc. Simply put, Comvita does not have the same marketing resource.

    (3) I hate to break this to you, but doctors in the Middle East are alleged to receive payment from the pharma giants for prescribing their medicines, according to another friend of mine employed by GSK……..

    I wish I had had the priviledge of seeing Dr Hammouda’s presentation, I am sure it must have been an eye-opening sparkler!

  2. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Jon Different!

    Welcome back, it’s been too long.

    Uncanny that you’ve Manuka experience or is this a wind up? Tell us more about5 when you’ve used it – no google allowed.

    Its classed as alternative surely, its not in mainstream public use – nobody guessed it was the method I chose!!

  3. Jon Different
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Is it alternative?

    I don’t know if there is a true definition of what alternative is when applied to medicines, my iterpretation is as described. It has been tested, proven and approved by the same authorities who do this for all medicines from all those ethically mannered pharma giants.

    Therefore it has mainstream approval, irrespective of whether your doc dismissed it.

    But I understand the hippy element, which you most definately have in your personality, that wants to classify it as alternative.

    No, it is not a wind up on my usage of the product. That is a true story of my experience. I have since used on any wound (fortunately all minor) I have had since.

    This product is truly fantastic, particularly the higher rated UMF Manukas, and I do not subscribe to the new age / hippy / alternative (as I perceive alternative to be) nonsense so often advocated on this blog.

  4. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Thanks for the mention Jim. I’ve been using manuka honey products myself for years. Organic manuka honey skin care line by Living Nature (New Zealand origin)

  5. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I’ve used Manuka honey to ward off colds but I’ve never heard it used like this before. Fascinating stuff! Its sold in health food shops at a ‘medicinal grade’ – and its brilliant stuff (strong but tasty too).

    Jim, I do declare we’ll need to see some photo proof of this marvellously healed scar. Thanks for posting about this – will keep in mind next time I have the need. :)

  6. A/C
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Maluka honey is brillant stuff…..

    I do find that any honey straight from the hive (not processed) works well…. Maluka is hard to get down here… but since we have hives everywhere fresh honey is easy….
    If you can get the maluka honey comb wax it works a treat as a dressing I have been told but have never tried it….

    Antibiotics are used far more than they need to be… this is part of why they are becoming less effective and more virus’s are gaining an immunity to them…

  7. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Sounds like good stuff, but, of course, I want to see the scientific studies and a picture of your wound. :-) I want more scientific information. Without it, I am skeptical.

    I didn’t really want to make comments for the past few days, but honey was my guess…darn!!

  8. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Yay for Borzack…finally you are here!! :)

  9. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I do drop by here once in a while :)

  10. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    You need your avatar to show up though…so we can all drool over it.. LOL

  11. Barbara Gallon!
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Oh Taylor blue!
    must you fawn so in public over borzack
    my dear girl that is most unlady like
    and you married woman as well
    I do believe some of that unlady like tattoo ink must have contaminated your dignity

  12. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Do you need to take a shot at me everywhere you go? I’ve known Borzack for awhile now … It was actually a joke between us…you know something funny??

  13. Barbara Gallon!
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    My dear Taylor
    may i abbreviate your name as such?
    as i said on ACs alien post
    i am only ever fair with you
    Do i know something funny
    why yes I do!
    you never fail to amuse me my dear

  14. Lib
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    The worrying thing is how much people rely on anti-biotics.

    By that I mean a typical conversation heard between friends across much of Britain.

    ‘Are you feeling alright?’

    ‘I think I’ve some kind of virus, I’ll be alright once I’ve been to the doctor and got some anti-b’s’.

    Its not just the medical inaccuracy that shocks me but the fact that they’ve got a nickname is fairly indicative as well.

  15. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Agreed AC – I never use antibiotics and simply let nature takes it course.

    I had a cold last week and simply drank lots of liquids and let my body heal itself. And then on Sunday I fasted and allowed my body to spend its energy on fighting the cold. By Monday I was fully recovered.

    Must try Manuka honey soon :-)

  16. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Jon – maybe you and Jim just differ on your definition of alternative.

    Manuka in my understanding is “alternative” since it is not mainstream and not your normal allopathic product.

    From what you are saying it is actaully not alternative but an established cure as it has been scientifically proven unlike what you classify as other alternative / hippy / new age cures.

    Either way, as it seems to work it is a great cure. Lets hope it heals Jim backside well and proper :-)

  17. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Is that like a ‘medical grade’ honey? LOL I’ve never heard of the brand before. I use honey all the time to fight colds and other internal digestive issues. I even had a terrible earache one time that I thought might need a doctor’s prescription and just made sure to eat a spoonful of honey every few hours and it was gone in a couple of days.

  18. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I never take anti-biotics unless I absolutely have to! I find it strange to think there’s people out there who think they are a cure-all… so just not!

  19. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I’ve had a busy week, and just got back here. I’ve been wondering if honey was correct. Good choice.
    I guess it is alternative, by my definition, as it’s simply not mainstream. It certainly was your personal alternative to antibiotic cream.

    The leeches could have made for some great photos though.

  20. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    It’s healing nicely thank you, thanks to Manuka!

  21. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Welcome back Borzack – great to see you’re SPAM free!

  22. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    It’s very much a work in progress and stitches will be out in 7 days time!

    Will keep you posted!

  23. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    No antibiotics in 25 years?

    To be replaced with what exactly?

    Back to nature?

  24. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    We missed ya here CC but great to see your comments back!

    I did take a shot of the wound after 1 day and will repeat after stitches are removed!

  25. A/C
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Thanks for that Jon I didnt realise it went that far…

    When I first heard of it, was over 20 years ago… I believe long before all these new fangaled UMF???????’s

    I dont worry about the sterile nature of the honey as it has never been an issue…. in fact I cant think of anything worse that sterilising it…. besides why does need to be…. coming from the Hive to You is the safest way I would have thought.. and if you are there to harvest it too then all the better….

    Never have I even thought of it remotely….. oh my thats odd…. sterile Honey… its like sterile Milk… whats wrong with straight from the cow to your table.. it is so much nicer.. If only I had the cow….

    My neighbour complained not long ago.. she went to the dr’s with a cold and he refused to give any anti biotics…. I ask what was the problem.. she argued how can I expect to get better if I dont have any… so she went to the next town and saw the dr there.. to get her fix of them.. sad….

  26. A/C
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    There is no replacements Jim…

    At this stage.. our over use of them will our downfall…

    The natural medications will be the only way to combat many diseases however these are limited as so many of our anti biotics have their bases in Natural remedies.. they just synthesis the chemical which makes you better…

    virus’s such as the super bugs are at present mutating at rates not seen before… and they are far more aggressive than their parent virus…. just hope we dont get one… :)

  27. A/C
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Thats what I do.. ARvind mate..

    Although I do enjoy raw lemon when I have a cold, and honey on a spoon…. it all helps..
    I also find a hot steaming shower helps to clear the head…

    Generally my colds and Flu’s are gone within 2 days….

    I dont get sick as a rule… every 3-5 years is about as bad as it gets… but then I usually really crook….

  28. A/C
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Hey Jim how is it you can get Maluka in Dubai…. I cant get it here in West TAssie.. thats just wrong.. NZ is only an hour away…
    NOT FAIR

  29. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Kesa – we’ve gotta set something up – its freely available in Melbourne, just north of you guys in Tassie :)

  30. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    A cold is a virus, so unless there are secondary complications like an infection that won’t clear up. There is no use for antibiotics. And, bacterial infections usually run it’s course too, so I unless I get worse have a high fever, I won’t use antibiotics. Antibiotics are only useful for bacterial infections and not viral. With all the problems, I’ve had with my sinus’s and infections. I know when I need an antibiotic and I’ve only had one course of it in three years.

  31. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Thanks for missing me. It has been tough for me the past couple of weeks. Pictures! :-)

  32. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    All in good time!

  33. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    A leech gallery, perhaps?

  34. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I never thought you Aussies would be crying out for stuff made in NZ!

    In Dubai various honey products are available but I’m not sure how I’d know if it was the real Manuka deal or not??

  35. Gareth in Thailand
    68 mos, 3 wks ago

    I am a little confused of all this talk of anitbiotics for treating virus’
    Won’t you want a vaccine for a viral ailment?

    I’d leave the antibiotics to deal with the bacterial infections.

  36. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Agreed AC as we rape & pillage Mother earth :-(

  37. 68 mos, 3 wks ago

    Fair point – it’s down to the terminology then…..the manuka honey I used does have antibacterial properties I believe….

    What will replace antibiotics though?

  38. Dr. Ehab
    67 mos, 4 wks ago

    Hey Jim , I am glad you are receovered completely. The Pathology report is fine, you dont have to worry. Just keep monitoring and checking your skin for any moles that may change in size or color in the future.

    Manuka Woundcare UMF 18+ gel and Apinate Dressing (Manuka UMF 12+ & Alginate) are fantastic and they have saved lives in the UAE and saved many Limbs from being amputated. Also healed a lot of Diabetic foot Ulcers and chronic wounds.

    Comvita products are fanatastic, they have Manuka Honey & Propolis Lozenges called Fortacold, it has cleared my cold and sore throat in one day.

    My wife and kids are using Comvita Cough Elixier (Fortacold) and Children Cough Elixier all the time , very effective and safe, 100% pure and natural such as all NZ products.

    Comvita products are available in Boots pharmacies , Julfar (67 pharmacies) and Marina (Marina, Greens,DIFC, Mirdiff, Palm,Jumeirah) Pharmacies , and other large pharmacies on Beach raod and Jumeirah beach hotel, Medinat Jumeriah and other pharmacies across the UAE.

  39. Dr. Ehab
    67 mos, 4 wks ago

    Look for Comvita Manuka Honey , it is CE and TGA approved , the Wouncare of Comvita is also FDA approved .

    You can get all Comvita products from Dubai Herbal Treatment Center http://www.dubaihtc.com

    Other Manuka brands may not be true to their labels. So make sure you buy COMVITA BRAND and you will never go wrong.

  40. Dr. Ehab
    67 mos, 4 wks ago

    I have used Comvita Manuka Red Deer Velvet , it is a fanatastic product for people on the run, athelets who are doing Triathalon, it is good for improving the circulation and give a true kick..

    In the Middle East , it is widely used to increase the ” S ” “Stamina” , it has no side effects at all as it is 100% natural ..

    so for those who cant use Viagra or Cialis for medical reason … Go for Comvita Manuka Red Deer Velvet.

  41. Michael
    64 mos, 1 wk ago

    Hi great to find this blog. Its really interesting to read the results everyone is getting from manuka honey. Also check out http://www.echohealth.me for the Spirits Bay Manuka. Its extremely high quality and the best value for money. They own all their own hives and it contains no pesticides or chemicals and dont blend it with anyone elses so you can be sure its pure.

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