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As we ‘pop’ back to 94′ with Dr. Dre Cordozar Calvin Broadus Jr, erm we mean Snoop Dogg:
Onto the topic at hand – Does the media paint a tempting picture when it comes to Gangster rap encouraging others to follow suit that could spill over into other aspects of their life?
Does the media inspire gangland behaviour as man fights man or would it happen anyway to the same degree? Do tell – it’s a rap!
One I do not like rap music at all, I find it grates on my nerves because it is not melodic. And gangster rap concerns me because it desensitizes people to violence and makes it seem like a normal part of life which I know is true for some. However, it could be used for positive influences rather than perpetuate sterotypes and help people to continue to think this is how it always was and always will be…there are alternative.
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Sorry Clinically, i’m with you on not liking rap music…. unless its Sid Snot (aka kenny everett doing the rap)
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Hooray!!! Gives me a headache and kids start acting like gang members when they hear it. I don’t like the language either…Do I sound old?
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I don’t like rap too even though me being only 21. Rap sounds so meaningless for me to hear it..
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Yes and I really dislike that they use older song just for the back beat bass. Sometimes, I think, it is like prostituting a song.
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Morse called it magpie music – quite apt
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I really do dislike gangster rap…
it glorifies the lifestyle, and gives kids the wrong impression of the world these guys live in..
These guys are nothing more than a bunch of Criminals, murders and the rest and the sooner they shoot each other which they do everyday the better…
sorry but these people who portray themselves as the way to live to our kids really need to be taught that it isnt…
the rise of drive bye shooting, gang related murders and rapes has done nothing but rise since this came about.. even the artist them selves are not immune to it, several having murdered even in recent times. Many of them have criminal records longer than my arm, then go about broadcasting their misadventures making a ton of cash and showing that crime really does pay.They then blame the environment in which they live and tell us that it was a matter of have to in order to survive this is a crock of shyte… anyone with any moral standards would tell them to get over themselves grow up and be a man or woman instead of behaving like the thugs they so obviously are…
Yes I hate Gangster Rap and the guys who profit from the misery they cause so many others…..
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Very well put!!!
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thanks clueless
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gangsta rap is a product of its environment
far better people are writing and reporting what happens than actually going out there and doing it
as for them all having criminal records- disagree
look at how many other forms of music have people with criminal convictions
regarding bad lyrics- no worse than the likes of iron maiden and the heavy metal groups or even country and western.
as for rap stealing beats- listen to practically any band from the early 60;s and they all nicked their music from the likes of chuck berry and the blues guitarists
love rap in general love gangsta rap in particular- if your kids are that dumb that they will listen to a record then go and copy it outright then its parenting not music that must be looked at. general comment that not in repsones to anything put above
the problem with these guys is they actually are the producers of the environment and the perpetuators of it, many are or were drug dealers, and perform gang related crime…
These guys live what they talk about (rap is not singing), the whole sorry lot of it and it is in no way a form of expression or an indictment on the times.. it is of their own creating…
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Nice point, Urban Pagan, about stealing breaks, samples, etc. Sure rap does it, but in so doing creates something new, innovative & interesting. JayZ – headlining at Glastonbury tonight – was on Jonathan Ross (BBC1, UK) last night & for once JR made an intelligent comment regarding JayZ’s use of a sample from ‘Annie’ the musical in his ‘Hard Knock Life’ track. Can’t remember word-for-word but Jonathan Ross basically suggested that in using the twee, shrill vocals from Annie it made a witty juxtaposition against the message of JayZ’s track – a creative twist & something different, interesting & potentially thought/emotion provoking arises, something all good (& bad?) art should create.
As UP points out, Rock ‘n’ Roll stole from Rhythm ‘n’ Blues, which stole from soul & bluegrass, which stole from folk & gospel, which stole from spirituals. Stealing is one way of thinking about it, musical evolution & spreading across different cultures & generations another.
Personally, I’m not a the biggest fan of gangsta rap, prefer rap with big breaks, mesmeric samples & powerful messages, like ‘My Philosophy’ by BDP & ‘Get By’ by Talib Kweli. That said, drop something like ‘Straight Outta Compton’ by NWA & it blows up every single, f****** time.
many are or were drug dealers and perform gang related crime
hate to do this AC but ………… proof please?
or are you merely compounding a racial stereotype?
its like saying all aussies knock their women about!!
I’ll send through some links.. to you when I get home….
tonight mate…
no sterio typing….. you should know I give credit when due … bit havent found any due in this genre….
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Ghetto Gospel could be the answer……
Or is that the problem?
Hey you go Pagan
You asked me for proof so here is 3 news reports the first two recent the third 2004 but still relevant..
dont say sorry the research was actually enlightening and strengthened my resolve to keep this nonsense and iis influences as far away from my house as possible…
MIAMI BEACH, Fla. — Miami Police Chief John Timoney on Wednesday denied a newspaper report saying his department is building dossiers on hip-hop stars who live and party in Miami and Miami Beach.
A March 9 Miami Herald report said local police departments have been monitoring rap artists and their entourages, photographing them at clubs, on music video shoots, at Miami International Airport and other places and building thick files on them, including any information on gang activity or prior arrests.
Some of the rappers mentioned in the report included P. Diddy, DMX, Ja Rule and 50 Cent, all of whom have had prior brushes with law enforcement.While Timoney denied any organized profiling, his denial suggested police were paying special attention to rap artists.
“I’ve read the articles,” Timoney said. “The allegations and charges that are in these articles are basically, for the most part, untrue.”
Timoney did acknowledge that Miami police officers have traveled to New York for briefing sessions with New York police on the hip-hop industry and the musical rivalries that often occur, and that one officer received a binder containing photos of rap artists, and information on their criminal records.
But Timoney insisted there was no formal profiling.
“You would assume that the Miami police department has been profiling, watching rap artists meeting them at airports, surveilling them, taking pictures, going to their hotel rooms and doing all sorts of covert surveillances,” he said during a press conference. “Not only is it not true, I would never allow such a thing to happen and it has not happened.”
But the Herald continued to stand by the story, which the paper says was based on interviews with Miami and Miami Beach police officers, some of whom were quoted. At least two Miami police officers, Det. Peter Rosario and Sgt. Rafael Tapanes, told the paper they were among a small group assigned to keep an eye on hip-hop artists.
“A lot, if not most, rappers belong to some sort of gang,” the paper quoted Tapanes as saying. “We keep track of their arrests and associates.”
Rosario told the paper “there is always beef between rappers.”
Tapanes went on to say the officers involved in the surveillance were trained on what clues to look for in the lyrics of rappers’ songs that might indicate rivalries or potential violence, and that some officers have been dispatched to concerts “for intelligence gathering.”
Other officers who spoke to NBC 6 last week acknowledged that police are keeping tabs on rap artists, and seeking to better understand the world of hip-hop, where rivalries are blamed for the deaths of rappers Tupac Shakur in 1996 and Notorious B.I.G. in 1997.
“We have to keep an eye on these rivalries,” Assistant Miami Beach Police Chief Charles Press said last week. “The last thing we need in this city is violence.”
“These are your main players,” added Miami Beach Police Detective Bobby Hernandez. “This is why you have that competition between East Coast and West Coast. Nobody here knew this stuff, and now we’re one of the most hip-hop savvy police departments in the country, and that’s attributable to us taking the initiative to go out there and learning the most we could about the industry.”
The intelligence gathering reportedly began after the 2001 Memorial Day weekend, when 250,000 hip-hop fans flocked to South Beach for four days of parties hosted by their favorite rappers and hip-hop magazines. More than 210 people were arrested — double the number on a typical weekend. Police said most of the arrests were for disorderly conduct and intoxication.
In recent years, rap stars have increasingly flocked to Miami Beach, and local police said after 2001, they met with New York City police to learn all they could about the hip-hop industry and culture, in a bid to prevent violence.
Press told the Herald police had not expected the large crowds, and that the department decided to create a system to “protect” the artists and their entourages when they visited Miami.
But critics have blasted the policy as unneccessary and racist, saying it raises civil rights and privacy concerns. The American Civil Liberties Union and the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, a non-profit group headed by Def Jam Records founder Russell Simmons, have threatened legal action.
The Miami Beach Police Department has scheduled meetings with the city’s black host committee, the mayor and city manager to discuss the issue.
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Even though rap moguls Irving and Christopher Lorenzo — the heads of the music label once known as Murder Inc. — have been acquitted in a money-laundering trial, hip-hop still may not beat the rap on its often-troubled image.
“As a whole, I don’t think the trial will do much to change the public’s perception of rap and hip-hop,” said Murray Forman, professor of communications and cultural studies at Northeastern University in Boston. “For those who are not part of that community, who do not follow it closely, it will secure the image they have in their imagination. For them, it will reaffirm some of the pre-existing notions they already had.”
A federal jury decided Friday that the Lorenzo brothers — known professionally as Irv and Chris Gotti, in homage to the Gambino crime family — were not guilty of racketeering. Prosecutors argued that the brothers’ nom de guerre went beyond mere entertainment. They alleged that the Lorenzos knowingly laundered more than $1 million for convicted druglord Kenneth “Supreme” McGriff in the 1990s and used part of the money to help build Murder Inc., which boasts hip-hop stars such as Ashanti and Ja Rule.
In exchange for the brothers’ money-laundering services, prosecutors said McGriff — who is also suspected of being involved in an alleged plot against rapper 50 Cent in 2000 — provided them with protection.
McGriff, the prosecution said, presented himself as a music-industry executive, and relied on the Lorenzos to pay for limos and stays at luxurious hotels.
“All of it was a fraud,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Sean Haran said. “He wasn’t a music executive. He was a drug dealer, and they [Irving and Christopher Lorenzo] knew it.”
The brothers’ defense conceded that they had an association with McGriff and that it gave them “a certain street credibility” in the hip-hop world. However, the brothers say there was nothing illegal about their relationship with McGriff.
“There’s nothing illegal about knowing a criminal, about socializing with a criminal, even doing business with a criminal, unless you commit a crime,” defense attorney Gerald Shargel said. “Irv and Chris Lorenzo committed no crime.”
If convicted, the two men would have faced up to 20 years in prison and the possible forfeiture of millions.
Guilt By Association, Guilt By Image
Defense attorneys argue the Lorenzo brothers are victims of guilt by association. But perhaps they have also been victims of guilt by image.
They didn’t shy away from the gangsta rap image. Besides adopting the Gotti stage name, they called their music label Murder Inc. before renaming it “The Inc.” earlier this year because of what they perceived as an image problem.
“It’s easy to say that Irv and Chris Gotti brought this on themselves. It’s too easy to say that,” said Erik Parker, music editor of Vibe magazine. “But that shouldn’t have any impact on their guilt or innocence. One shouldn’t have any bearing on the other. One should be able to name their music label whatever they want and take whatever name they want to take.”
However, fair or not, the persona a rapper or hip-hop artist chooses to adopt — and the image he wishes to put forward — may come at a price. The casual fan — and the less-than-casual observer — may associate rappers with rap sheets. The list of stars who have generated headlines over the years with their legal troubles instead of hit CDs reads like a “Who’s Who in Hip-hop.”
Before departing Death Row Records and becoming a kinder, gentler pitchman for Sprint and other products, Snoop Dogg proudly spoke of his past notorious affiliation with the Crips and flashed gang signs in his videos. At the height of his superstardom, he went on trial and was acquitted of murder charges in the shooting death of an Ethiopian immigrant affiliated with a Los Angeles gang.
Death Row Records chief Marion “Suge” Knight has had repeated legal woes and was released from prison in 2001 after serving time for assault and weapons violations. Philadelphia rapper Cassidy faces murder charges for a shooting incident that left one dead and two people injured.
Today’s best-selling rap artist, 50 Cent, has built a mini-empire on his violent past. Known for his graphically violent lyrics and surviving being shot nine times, he has used his street credibility to produce two hit CDs and a video game, and to star in the movie “Get Rich or Die Tryin.’” He is also producing a series of books.
Unfair Stigma
Still, despite rap and hip-hop’s penchant for legal controversy, some observers say it is unfair to stigmatize all artists as criminals.
“There has been an association in the mainstream media between rap and hip-hop and crime and some of it is very real,” said Parker of Vibe magazine. “Crime in rap gets spotlighted. But for the most part, it is an anomaly. Most of the artists are not involved [in] crime.”
Some critics suggest that the media sometimes do not allow rap artists with ties to violence and crime to escape their past. When Johnny Cash was arrested for drug possession at El Paso International Airport in 1965, he wasn’t known forevermore as “The Man With Drugs.” He was the legendary “Man in Black.” John McEnroe and Sean Penn were once known as “bad boys” — McEnroe for his outbursts on the tennis court and Penn for his assaults on the paparazzi. But over time, they outgrew their images and their infamous exploits faded in the public’s memory.
Perhaps 50 Cent’s “Get Rich or Die Tryin” persona will also fade. But for now, his gangsta image sells.
“He’s doing something that makes him look like some entrepreneurial, marketing genius,” said Forman of Northeastern University. “But you never hear that. Instead, all we hear about is his getting shot [nine] times. And I don’t think he’s living the same kind of lifestyle he was when he was shot.”
Rap Sheet Doesn’t Mean Rap Sales
Still, neither crime — nor a criminal record — guarantees record sales.
Lil’ Kim released “The Naked Truth” six days before she started serving her 366-day sentence for perjury, and the CD debuted at No. 6 on the Billboard charts in October with 110,000 copies sold. By the middle of this month, her CD exited Billboard’s Top 100 after having sold only 250,000 copies. Rapper Jamal “Shyne” Barrow, who is serving a 10-year sentence for assault, released “Godfather Buried Alive” from prison to much fanfare in August 2004 and it opened at No. 2 on the Billboard music charts. However, by November 2004, the CD was knocked off Billboard’s Top 200 sales list after selling only approximately 400,000 copies.
Relatively clean-cut rap star Kanye West has been a Grammy winner and a top seller since his 2004 debut “College Dropout.” He hasn’t generated headlines with arrests but with his music and post-Katrina tongue-lashing of President Bush. And LL Cool J, Will Smith and Queen Latifah have remained crossover stars without mug shots and shootings.
Though some critics say the trial of Irving and Christopher Lorenzo will not affect rap’s image in the long or short term, the future of The Inc. hangs in the balance.
Despite the success of Ja Rule and Ashanti, the label has not produced as many hitmakers as once hoped. However, the acquittal means the Lorenzo brothers can continue running the label and not have to hand over millions to authorities. For now, The Inc. is still in business.
then theres
This ones interesting… granted it is 2004 but hey why not
NYPD keeps tabs on rappers
BY GLENN GAMBOA AND SEAN GARDINER | Staff Writers
October 12, 2004
Jay-Z is one of the rappers police have an eye on.
Officially, the New York Police Department makes no special effort to keep tabs on rappers. Officially, the department has no binder of dossiers on the performers.
Officially, detectives do not comb lyrics of music’s fastest-growing genre for signs of past or future crimes.
Yet, hundreds of pages of police documents and interviews with detectives inside the department and with those from around the country trained by the NYPD show that city police have quietly collected information about top rappers for the past six years and continue that work today.
The NYPD has pulled together dossiers that contain photographs, arrest records and biographical information of hip-hop stars and their associates, as well as lyrics that make specific threats or brag about past wrongdoing, according to the retired detective who did most of the research, and documents obtained by Newsday.
The entries for recently retired superstar Jay-Z, for example, contain information about his arrests (an assault charge from 1999), the license plate numbers of his vehicles, where he likes to hang out (nightspots including Joe’s Pub and Club NV) and who he hangs out with (business partner Damon Dash).
Joining Jay-Z in what has become known as “the hip-hop binder” are many of the genre’s biggest stars — including 50 Cent, Sean “P. Diddy” Combs, Ja Rule, DMX, Nas, Fabolous, Busta Rhymes, Cam’ron, Li’l Kim and Public Enemy’s Flavor Flav.
Cops ‘know the players’
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne denied there is any organized effort to gather information on rappers, saying there are one or two officers in the Gang Intelligence Unit who “know the players,” and are often called upon to aid in rapper-related crime but aren’t assigned to that job full time and aren’t collecting intelligence on the hip-hop scene.
Browne also said that the department didn’t sanction the creation of the so-called hip-hop binder, saying the dossiers were collected by now-retired Det. Derrick Parker on his own.
But police departments from around the country have received copies of the binder during training with the NYPD since Parker retired, and Parker said the dossiers, copies of which were obtained by Newsday, have been updated since he left the force in 2002.
Law enforcement sources say that while police are wary of speaking about their efforts to keep track of hip-hop performers and the people around them, it is necessary because many of them have criminal records.
“No one can say that the rap industry is rife with crime because that’s not politically correct,” said an NYPD detective familiar with the department’s efforts, speaking on condition of anonymity. “Everyone would say that’s racial profiling. But it is what it is.”
Civil libertarians say that’s a lot like targeting all CEOs for investigation because of high-level wrongdoing at corporations such as Enron and Tyco, even though there is no evidence executives at all companies have committed crimes.
“If musicians are engaged in criminal conduct, an investigation of course would be appropriate,” said Christopher Dunn, associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. “But police cannot and should not be investigating musicians because of the controversial nature of their music.”
Hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons calls it “cultural profiling.”
“It’s illegal, and it’s a waste of the taxpayers’ money,” said Simmons, who has produced a show on the topic for Court TV. “They think it’s a statement of some kind, and if they can catch someone, then it becomes high-profile and newsworthy. It’s insane.”
Law enforcement officials argue such monitoring became especially important after the violence from rappers’ songs turned into real life mayhem.
Hip-hop’s violent images suddenly attracted more attention when musical rivalry between West Coast and East Coast rappers escalated into a battle that many believe resulted in the still-unsolved murders of two of hip-hop’s biggest stars, Tupac Shakur in 1996 and Brooklyn’s Christopher “The Notorious B.I.G.” Wallace in 1997.
It was Wallace’s Brooklyn funeral, Parker said, that brought him into the world of hip-hop. He was in the borough’s cold case squad, solving old homicides, when he was asked to brief police supervisors before the funeral procession because of death threats against Combs, Wallace’s friend and producer.
The detective — who once recorded an R&B single “Single Man” and was the grandson of legendary Harlem entertainer Willie Bryant — was passionate about the industry and was familiar with even obscure rap artists. Soon, though, the music fan gave way to the police officer.
AC
the most relevant bit of those reports
But for the most part, it is an anomaly. Most of the artists are not involved [in] crime.”
WHICH kinda shoots your arguement down in flames.
Its no worse than any other form of music.
Look a the likes of Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty, the ones I mentioned before like Axl Rose and Ozzy, Johnny Cash etc
its cheap racial stereotyping and if the best that can be found is 4 press pieces from the last 4/5 years I would say its yourself not rap that has the problem!
also statistcially if you come from a high crime area it is more likely people you know from the locale will have experience of crime. but this is forgotten about isn’t it!
so what other music isn’t allowed?
heavy metal? country? r & b? reggae?
do tell
is gangsta rap any worse than other forms of music
how about iron maiden (named after a torture device) and such gems as ‘bring your daughter to the slaughter?’
or ozzy osbourne biting the heads off bats?
or jonny cash singing about tying a woman to a chair and shooting her twice?
or The Police stalker inspired ‘every breath you take’?
Heavy Metal is at least as offensive
if your objection is it doesn’t sound good in your ears then thats opinion based- but to slew on a moral objection when it is no more offensive than the stuff listed is wrong.
And if we want criminality in music look no further than rock
AXL Rose- arrested 30 times
Marilyn Manson- arrested for sexual assault
Tommy Lee- wife beater
Ozzy Osbourne – attempted murder
Mick Jagger- assault
Paul McArtney- drugs offences
none of the above were from back backgrounds or have the excuse of being deprived.
Hello UP.
I agree with your choice of musicians, may i add the nae of Eric Clapton who by his own admissionhas stated in his biography that he should be dead after his deug abuse. He, in my opinion, is the finest guitarist.
I meant name not mae. and drug not deug
good choice re Eric
one of my fave quotes is attributed to him
‘Eric is it fair to say you did your share of drugs?’
‘I did my share….. and your share and anyone elses share I could get’
top class guitarist to say the least
One of the best musicians in my opinion. Yes, the music industry is full of legal, drug and other issues. Look, even Richard Carpenter of the Carpenters had drug problems. But, they do not necessarily use violence to get their point across or perpetuate sterotypes about being “stuck” in a gang without the chance for change. I feel like it embraces the culture too much, kids really try to imitate what they see in the gangster rap, some develop a “gangster” attitude, and it does not leave hope of getting out of the situation. That is my problem with it. Regardless of whether I like the music or not. I’ve watched this with kids that I’ve worked with and it gets them into trouble and adds to an already trouble home life which is part of the problem that it feeds into what isn’t being met at home.
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Or simply Elton John for crimes against the music industry in general.
Did I see you crying during Candle in the Wind at Dianas funeral or was it the Egyption ShopKeeper
ahhh, the stories i could tell about Lady Di’s, the Princess of Hearts’, funeral … but save that for another day
anything to add, Jim?
try this one
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS732zyYfU
Elton John has certainly produced his ahare tedious drivel, as have most long career pop / rock musicisians, including all post split Beatles (McCartney in particular, but then he has been more prolific) Rolling Stones, etc etc etc and even the hallowed Eric Clapton.
However , to Elton’s defence, his early career is actually littered with many outstanding recordings.
Very true, I was talking more about the last decade where he has practically mounted the backs of the musicians of the moment.
It’s really quite embarassing.
Fortunately he had his comeuppance when dueting with Pete Docherty at Live 8.
Ha! Yes.
Has anyone seen Elton around..
n.w.a set it off and i love them for that. all they
are doing is telling the truth and it hurts the racist people. gansta rap is not
the blame for crime when rap was straight east people was still getting killed left and right
so lets not front. i live in nyc and i tell you i love gansta rap before gansta rap came out
mad people was doing drugs and getting killed what do you think rock n roll died for because
to many people was harmful to their self remember nirvana he blew his head off one
of the hottest rock groups in the 90’s` rock n roll rnb dance you name it
is no better then gansta rap rnb r.kelly get the picture dr dre rytham d hutch are good
and its very disrespectful for you to come out of your mouth about gansta rap better shut up before
dre come and do it again with eminem you know what time it is again and again and again
call it what you wana call it biggie smalls, tupac, lil kim every gansta rapper that came out after n.w.a copied their style
every one gets gansta rap from dre and eazy and the east had a nerve to be mad knowing biggie got his style from ruthless records
every time dre comes out with a legend record you same people who posting saying you hate gansta rap run out and buy it
reports are moore kids overdosed and died off of rock n roll moore then any kind of music plus it is annoying. as long as people want to
be a gansta eazy-e will always be on the front of the industry mind they are jelous thats why they try to pretend he never was here
sorry he will be in the street forever if you look at the sound scan the n.w.a and eazy-e records are the most highly selling rap records
out today and this happen 20 years ago that should tell you something no rap group will ever top n.w.a and will never look as good
as they did they are called the most sexiest rappers of all time fine if anybody ever asked who are the finnest rappers of all time i would
say n.w.a to bad the founding gansta rap record company is not on top who fault is that i know eazy is disapointed he will see who ever
at the crossroads who defiled him now thats real talk and watch out
because eazy,s son is out lil eazy-e and he is about to give it too the world raw and gain back ruthless records even though he owns
his own but its only his fathers wishes now this is real talk
who ever running ruthless records now need to be shot poor choice in artist all this talent out here and some fake rnb losers
who can’t even come close to rihanna shame on you that shows how much you know about the music we people here on the east have
to depend on dr dre aftermath to see the aftermath of westcoast music don’t blame the media because when dre comes he does it world
wide and it reaches every corner in new york city n.w.a had a certain sound and the west is not following it thats why their loosing right
now to capture that sound you have to go back to the n.w.a cds above the law ,snoop dog , eminem, d.o.c to get the touch of real westcoast
gansta rap how it really sound. and michel’le was and is one of the best rnb singers of all time they know that too look what happend
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