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		<title>By: Wiliam</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-83553</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over the past hundred years there have been hundreds of left wing revolutions and revolutionary situations, it is not only likely but also inevitable that sometime in the future another cyclical capitalist crisis will spark off another one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over the past hundred years there have been hundreds of left wing revolutions and revolutionary situations, it is not only likely but also inevitable that sometime in the future another cyclical capitalist crisis will spark off another one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great that google is doin gits job and keeping this threads alive...

**Applause**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great that google is doin gits job and keeping this threads alive&#8230;</p>
<p>**Applause**</p>
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		<title>By: O&#39;DB in the Forest</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81928</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#39;DB in the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, there might be a degree of warm &amp; fuzzy feeling about socialism, or if socialism is a black-word in your dictionary, then the concept of giving within your needs.

But as with any altruism in an idividual or at a societal level, is it truly altruitic? In this case, &amp; taking your self-interested capitalist ethos on board, why not see it as a form of insurance? It&#039;s a lot cheaper than paying a company for the benefits of insuring against illness, accident &amp; infirmity (because inherently the company not only has to pay for your benefits but also wants to make a fat, juicy profit on top). So, more money for you &amp; you get the peace of mind that all your hard work won&#039;t be undone by a nasty fall in front of an oncoming truck.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, there might be a degree of warm &amp; fuzzy feeling about socialism, or if socialism is a black-word in your dictionary, then the concept of giving within your needs.</p>
<p>But as with any altruism in an idividual or at a societal level, is it truly altruitic? In this case, &amp; taking your self-interested capitalist ethos on board, why not see it as a form of insurance? It&#8217;s a lot cheaper than paying a company for the benefits of insuring against illness, accident &amp; infirmity (because inherently the company not only has to pay for your benefits but also wants to make a fat, juicy profit on top). So, more money for you &amp; you get the peace of mind that all your hard work won&#8217;t be undone by a nasty fall in front of an oncoming truck.<br />
<span class="cluv"> O&#8217;DB in the Forest&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/members/amazingsusan/" rel="nofollow">amazingsusan updated the &quot;Profile Questions round 2&quot; information on their profile</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: O&#39;DB in the Forest</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81927</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#39;DB in the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice point on government guns &amp; laws. Thanks.

I also, inadvertently, nicked your lines about chaos &amp; anarchy in a response to Flatfish above.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice point on government guns &amp; laws. Thanks.</p>
<p>I also, inadvertently, nicked your lines about chaos &amp; anarchy in a response to Flatfish above.<br />
<span class="cluv"> O&#8217;DB in the Forest&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/members/amazingsusan/" rel="nofollow">amazingsusan updated the &quot;Profile Questions round 2&quot; information on their profile</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: O&#39;DB in the Forest</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81926</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#39;DB in the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, Debbie, thanks.

But &#039;voting for women&#039;? I&#039;m not sure how that will help society or in fact women. 

No, what women need is government supplied morphine to control their monthly hysterics. Leave the rule making &amp; warring to us men.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, Debbie, thanks.</p>
<p>But &#8216;voting for women&#8217;? I&#8217;m not sure how that will help society or in fact women. </p>
<p>No, what women need is government supplied morphine to control their monthly hysterics. Leave the rule making &amp; warring to us men.<br />
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		<title>By: O&#39;DB in the Forest</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81925</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#39;DB in the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought that was the start of a gag: &#039;two guys walk up to a rich guy ...&#039; but if it was, the punch-line is completely lost on me.

No, the worker still gets paid for his skills &amp; his labour. He still has his/her own destiny in his/her hands. The simple idea (yet very complex to achieve in practice) is giving within your needs. So if you have an excess of money, beyond your needs, then those in society who haven&#039;t could &amp; should benefit. 

By the same argument the same worker, if involved in an accident, falls ill, etc. would no longer have the ability to make his living. In this change of circumstance he would now become the benficiary of others in society who can work &amp; earn a living.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought that was the start of a gag: &#8216;two guys walk up to a rich guy &#8230;&#8217; but if it was, the punch-line is completely lost on me.</p>
<p>No, the worker still gets paid for his skills &amp; his labour. He still has his/her own destiny in his/her hands. The simple idea (yet very complex to achieve in practice) is giving within your needs. So if you have an excess of money, beyond your needs, then those in society who haven&#8217;t could &amp; should benefit. </p>
<p>By the same argument the same worker, if involved in an accident, falls ill, etc. would no longer have the ability to make his living. In this change of circumstance he would now become the benficiary of others in society who can work &amp; earn a living.<br />
<span class="cluv"> O&#8217;DB in the Forest&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/members/amazingsusan/" rel="nofollow">amazingsusan updated the &quot;Profile Questions round 2&quot; information on their profile</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://gosmellthecoffee.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: O&#39;DB in the Forest</title>
		<link>http://gosmellthecoffee.com/archives/12032/comment-page-1#comment-81923</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#39;DB in the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ajithkumar CC -

thanks for the comments &amp; pls quote away. 

Let us know when you&#039;ve linked it so that we can take a look at your work, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ajithkumar CC -</p>
<p>thanks for the comments &amp; pls quote away. </p>
<p>Let us know when you&#8217;ve linked it so that we can take a look at your work, too.<br />
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		<title>By: O'DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this ol&#039; post is getting a fair bit of interest ...

Your opinion is valued but flawed (in my opinion). I think that America (&amp; many Americans) has a real problem even with the mention of socialism - it seems like the cold war of battling the reds &amp; commies never went away &amp; is still a festering boil awaiting to erupt.

I still think politically, too, the concept of giving within your needs to those whose needs are greatest - however you label it - is still an aspiration that any civilised society should be striving for. 

&amp; as pointed out below the &#039;government&#039;s gun&#039;, in the form of the legal &amp; judiciary system of democracies that we&#039;ve voted for, is always pointing at our heads in one form or another; without it society devolves into chaos &amp; anarchy (now there&#039;s a political movement I think has potential ... if it can only be married with the key tenets of caring for others).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this ol&#8217; post is getting a fair bit of interest &#8230;</p>
<p>Your opinion is valued but flawed (in my opinion). I think that America (&amp; many Americans) has a real problem even with the mention of socialism &#8211; it seems like the cold war of battling the reds &amp; commies never went away &amp; is still a festering boil awaiting to erupt.</p>
<p>I still think politically, too, the concept of giving within your needs to those whose needs are greatest &#8211; however you label it &#8211; is still an aspiration that any civilised society should be striving for. </p>
<p>&amp; as pointed out below the &#8216;government&#8217;s gun&#8217;, in the form of the legal &amp; judiciary system of democracies that we&#8217;ve voted for, is always pointing at our heads in one form or another; without it society devolves into chaos &amp; anarchy (now there&#8217;s a political movement I think has potential &#8230; if it can only be married with the key tenets of caring for others).</p>
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		<title>By: Lib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;There is no point in keeping people who cannot help society anymore alive, and yes I do feel the same about myself&#039;

Best pull the plug now then because you clearly have no impact within society at the moment, let alone when you are sat in a chair, stinking of piss with only flies to keep you company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;There is no point in keeping people who cannot help society anymore alive, and yes I do feel the same about myself&#8217;</p>
<p>Best pull the plug now then because you clearly have no impact within society at the moment, let alone when you are sat in a chair, stinking of piss with only flies to keep you company.</p>
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		<title>By: Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah yeah socialism and its beliefs can make you feel all warm and fuzzy pretending to care about one another, but heartless bastards like myself don&#039;t care about you, your sick ol&#039; pa, or your starving children, money is all that will motivate me to get off my ass and go to work every day. Why should we give health care to those who don&#039;t/can&#039;t work? They can be of no use to us anymore and therefor should just give up and die. No point in wasting thousands - millions of dollars on some sickly old man who&#039;s going to kick the bucket anyway. 
The reason capitalism works where most other forms of government or lack there of fail, is because of greed. Humans by nature only care about themselves and those who they&#039;ve formed emotional attachments to. I do not care about the starving children of all those backwards countries, I do not care about my neighbor&#039;s sick uncle, and most all people who can be honest with themselves feel the same way. 
But I&#039;m ranting, basically my point is that there is no point in keeping people who cannot help society anymore alive, and yes I do feel the same about myself, I want someone to pull the plug when I&#039;m old and decrepit and can&#039;t do anything anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah yeah socialism and its beliefs can make you feel all warm and fuzzy pretending to care about one another, but heartless bastards like myself don&#8217;t care about you, your sick ol&#8217; pa, or your starving children, money is all that will motivate me to get off my ass and go to work every day. Why should we give health care to those who don&#8217;t/can&#8217;t work? They can be of no use to us anymore and therefor should just give up and die. No point in wasting thousands &#8211; millions of dollars on some sickly old man who&#8217;s going to kick the bucket anyway.<br />
The reason capitalism works where most other forms of government or lack there of fail, is because of greed. Humans by nature only care about themselves and those who they&#8217;ve formed emotional attachments to. I do not care about the starving children of all those backwards countries, I do not care about my neighbor&#8217;s sick uncle, and most all people who can be honest with themselves feel the same way.<br />
But I&#8217;m ranting, basically my point is that there is no point in keeping people who cannot help society anymore alive, and yes I do feel the same about myself, I want someone to pull the plug when I&#8217;m old and decrepit and can&#8217;t do anything anymore.</p>
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